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« on: February 2, 2010, 08:47:46 AM »

Good moaning!
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« Reply #1 on: February 2, 2010, 08:49:30 AM »

Also, sometimes, the insanely boring reality of dishwasher repair and soap sales leaves me spoiling for an intellectual debate of any kind.

Maybe Matilda will get a fantastic job and I can go back to school.

My apologies to Jet but...

Talking about conspiracy theories doesn't qualify as intellectual debate. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 2, 2010, 09:50:59 AM »

Good morning!

I'm glad Inglourious Basterds got some good nods.   Picture, Director, Screenplay and Cristoph Waltz  (sp?).

I'm not a total Tarantino freak, but I think he totally knocked it out of the park this time around.
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« Reply #3 on: February 2, 2010, 09:53:50 AM »

Did my taxes last night.. and PAPA IS TOTALLY GETTING A NEW MAC!!!!

There's good and bad to divorce, filing single is a GREAT thing.

I'm so relieved, I'm seriously going nuts not having a place to record.    Even when I'm recording utter crap, I'm happy.
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« Reply #4 on: February 2, 2010, 09:55:29 AM »

Right on..!
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« Reply #5 on: February 2, 2010, 09:55:43 AM »

or WRITE OFF..!
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« Reply #6 on: February 2, 2010, 09:56:13 AM »

bad joke..  sorry.
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« Reply #7 on: February 2, 2010, 10:00:18 AM »

(crickets motioning to waitress for the check)
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« Reply #8 on: February 2, 2010, 10:03:33 AM »

is this thing on?
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« Reply #9 on: February 2, 2010, 10:03:38 AM »

Well, Dan does it a lot. Suddenly I'm not so sure if Evan does.

What, you can't be bothered to click on a simple link? 

Maybe you'd be interested in this book!
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« Reply #10 on: February 2, 2010, 10:11:09 AM »

Also, sometimes, the insanely boring reality of dishwasher repair and soap sales leaves me spoiling for an intellectual debate of any kind.

Maybe Matilda will get a fantastic job and I can go back to school.

My apologies to Jet but...

Talking about conspiracy theories doesn't qualify as intellectual debate. 

Why not?
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« Reply #11 on: February 2, 2010, 10:13:40 AM »

Actually, Dan should check out this book.
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« Reply #12 on: February 2, 2010, 10:21:22 AM »

Actually, Dan should check out this book.

That link doesn't go anywhere. 

Is that one of your lame attempts at joke killing?   
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« Reply #13 on: February 2, 2010, 10:21:59 AM »

Also, sometimes, the insanely boring reality of dishwasher repair and soap sales leaves me spoiling for an intellectual debate of any kind.

Maybe Matilda will get a fantastic job and I can go back to school.

My apologies to Jet but...

Talking about conspiracy theories doesn't qualify as intellectual debate. 

Why not?

Because it's always the same fucking thing, ad nauseam.  Boooooring! 


10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.

Wikipedia: conspiracy theory guide


1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence;
Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.

2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact;
Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.

3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;
Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.

4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators;
Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.

5. Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
May require conspirators to possess unique discipline, unrepentant resolve, advanced or unknown technology, uncommon psychological insight, historical foresight, unlimited resources, etc.

6. Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
Inductive steps are mistaken to bear as much confidence as deductive ones.

Appeals to 'common sense';
Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological and scientific phenomena.

7. Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies;
Formal and informal logical fallacies are readily identifiable among the key steps of the argument.

8. Is produced and circulated by 'outsiders', often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.

9. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science;
At least some of the story's believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.

10. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities;
Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.

11. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence, often incorporating the rebuttal as a part of the conspiracy.'
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« Reply #14 on: February 2, 2010, 10:26:50 AM »

Don't forget Tarantino for best original screenplay. That's usually a consolation prize, so the Oscar may be his.

I was pleasantly surprised he got the best director nod.

I am happy that Basterds registers with so many people.

He is back. He talked about making a prequel if the movie was a hit. It would be Aldo the Apache Vs. The KKK. And it will be revealed how he got that scar around his neck.
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