Cleaveland LaRoccas

[Poop Fresh-Herbed Pickles]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/lsZOVJ40Q6w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/lsZOVJ40Q6w</a>

[captqitn]

The interrogators were simply trying to assist the detainees in their spiritual quest.

Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, “as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, ‘brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.” In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can — and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that “Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable.” The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.

[bebopbalogna]

The interrogators were simply trying to assist the detainees in their spiritual quest.

Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, “as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, ‘brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.” In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can — and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that “Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable.” The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.

 

good lord.  the elephant in the room is that regardless of the information gained, we TORTURED people!!  TORTURED them!   and dick cheeney proudly proclaimed last night in a foxnews interview that he has formally asked the CIA to release documents providing the information gained from those "techniques".  (a claim the CIA disputes, by the way... not that we didn't gain any information, but that they have not heard from the former v.p....unless the fox interview served as the "formal request".)  it's the whole "2 wrongs really DO make a right" argument that NOBODY in their right mind believes.  similar argument...  a kid accidentally hits his baseball over some lady's fence.  lady decides to keep baseball.  kid goes next door, ties lady up, and beats her senseless until she tells him where the baseball is.  kid gets baseball and goes home.  lady presses charges and kid is tried for aggravated battery.  kid's lawyer at opening argument:  "yes.  he beat her to smithereens.  but she took his baseball. HE GOT THE BASEBALL BACK, DIDN'T HE?   not guilty."

[Poop Fresh-Herbed Pickles]

Truth is the safe word.

[captqitn]

(nodding)    And the more you try to defend it as a product of its "special" time, the more you convince the rest of the world that we'll jump right back into the business whenever we feel threatened.

...

on unrelated note, listening to JG Ballard interview right now, and some interesting parallels to Vonnegut  (I'm reading his last book right now).     Both had their first big successes writing about their childhoods in POW camps.   And both hate the fact that they are considered to be science fiction writers.

Not sure what the moral is, but kind of interesting how vastly different the end-products are.

[Doctor Rock]

The interrogators were simply trying to assist the detainees in their spiritual quest.

Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, “as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, ‘brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.” In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can — and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that “Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable.” The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.

 

good lord.  the elephant in the room is that regardless of the information gained, we TORTURED people!!  TORTURED them!   and dick cheeney proudly proclaimed last night in a foxnews interview that he has formally asked the CIA to release documents providing the information gained from those "techniques".  (a claim the CIA disputes, by the way... not that we didn't gain any information, but that they have not heard from the former v.p....unless the fox interview served as the "formal request".)  it's the whole "2 wrongs really DO make a right" argument that NOBODY in their right mind believes.  similar argument...  a kid accidentally hits his baseball over some lady's fence.  lady decides to keep baseball.  kid goes next door, ties lady up, and beats her senseless until she tells him where the baseball is.  kid gets baseball and goes home.  lady presses charges and kid is tried for aggravated battery.  kid's lawyer at opening argument:  "yes.  he beat her to smithereens.  but she took his baseball. HE GOT THE BASEBALL BACK, DIDN'T HE?   not guilty."

Don't you know that you gotta break eggs to make an omelet?  

[bebopbalogna]

the logo design for the Catholic Church’s Archdiocesan Youth Commission in 1973.  it won an award from the Art Directors Club of Los Angeles.

[Tripp]

?!

[bebopbalogna]

in other news....pixies release pointless boxset

[bebopbalogna]

?!

right?   NOBODY  recognized the problem with this?

[captqitn]

in other news....pixies release pointless boxset

aw shit... somebody posted that early with rumor that it was a new album.

pfft.  ah well.

[Tripp]

?!

right?   NOBODY  recognized the problem with this?

I wonder if the designer... y'know.. went to a catholic boys' school.

[bebopbalogna]

possible.  he may have snuck it in (no pun intended) ala all those disney movies with hidden dicks and boobs and such. just to see if anyone would catch it.

[Doctor Rock]

the logo design for the Catholic Church’s Archdiocesan Youth Commission in 1973.  it won an award from the Art Directors Club of Los Angeles.

It's like one of those pictures where you can either see an old crone or a young woman, but not both at the same time.  Now that we know all we know, it's kind of hard to see that with innocent eyes...

[Poop Fresh-Herbed Pickles]

Altar boys put the lick in catholic.